Lifting a Kilt

**Chef** · 6th March 08, 02:31 PM

Well part of the problem is in the attitudes of some who wear the kilt.

First, in reading the thread mentioned above, the poster is talking about the fact it "made his day" to have a young lady lift his kilt. If there are those who feel it is not only ok to have a kilt lifted but that they in fact want it lifted that creates a problem for all.

Second, a preponderance of moon shots by those in kilts. Again this leads others to believe that kilt wearers want to show off what is underneath.

Lastly, as seen on this forum in all too many threads many kilt wearers are (in my opinion) overly focussed on what they do or do not wear under their kilt. if it is such a big deal to us no wonder others are fascinated.

While I agree that because some invite it does not mean a "lifter" should feel free to lift anyone's kilt. The fact is however, if we want to rid ourselves of "lifters" we need to scold anyone who thinks it great fun to expose themselves while wearing a kilt, as much as those who do the lifting.

**Makeitstop** · 6th March 08, 03:40 PM

I don't think there is anything wrong with having a little fun, and adding some humor to life by not taking things like "the question" too seriously. A witty remark or mildly suggestive joke (in the right setting of course) is just a little harmless fun. It is a very different thing than flashing the goods or seriously inviting people to explore the area under the apron and beneath the pleats.

We shouldn't have to be too serious about these things. The problem is with those people who can't separate the joke from reality. I will not stop having fun just because some people want to take it way too far.

The way I see it, it's not too different from when a woman dresses in small, tight, revealing clothing. It doesn't exactly scream "respect me" but it doesn't give me the right to slap her @$$ either.

That said, the world is not a nice happy place. Wearing a kilt does come with the increased risk of harassment and assault. It's not right, but it is the reality of the situation. As such, we must all be prepared to deal with this problem, just like all the others we are likely to face.

**DireStraitsFan** · 6th March 08, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Makeitstop

The way I see it, it's not too different from when a woman dresses in small, tight, revealing clothing. It doesn't exactly scream "respect me" but it doesn't give me the right to slap her @$$ either.

As always, you are a voice of reason. Cheers.

**sdc** · 6th March 08, 04:09 PM

Say, "Nope, you have to make an appointment to find out."

**sharpdressedscot** · 6th March 08, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by sdc

Say, "Nope, you have to make an appointment to find out."

And add "Are Saturday nights good for you?"

**Rex_Tremende** · 6th March 08, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Highland Logan

I think if people really wanted to put a stop to this behavior they would just tell offenders to grow up... and so long as people insist on making it a big joke that there will be those who will try to find the answer, one way or another.

When I was living in the "coed" dorm in college, I had a room on the men's side of the building at the lounge end of the hall. The lounge was on the other side of a closed door. The showers were at the other end of the hall.

Stick with me here...

During the day, a door connecting the men's lounge to the women's lounge was open, but the door to the men's hall was supposed to stay shut. One day I was returning to my room from the showers in a towel when I was ambushed by my next door neighbor, who ripped my towel off while his girlfriend threw open the hall door to reveal an audience of half a dozen women.

I did the only thing I could think of to do, which was to continue walking calmly to my room, perhaps a bit more proudly, but denying the girls the show they really wanted to see.

At least that's the way I explained their disappointment to myself.

Anyhoo -

That's sort of the way I have dealt with the kilt lifters when I haven't been able to head them off at the pass. One day I was chatting with a friend outside my favorite watering hole, when an idiot rushed up behind me and performed a two-fisted full lift. I just turned around slowly, gave him a withering glare, asked if he was satisfied, and why he thought he was entitled to do that. He just sort of crumpled and slinked away, mumbling something to himself. I'm sure he felt pretty stupid.

Or sorely disappointed.

Regards,
Rex.

**ccga3359** · 6th March 08, 05:35 PM

Right on Rex. I'll ensure that any women that lifts my kilt shall be disappointed as well!

**Nick the DSM** · 6th March 08, 05:47 PM

it depends on the person and if its intentional.

**emolas** · 6th March 08, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by ccga3359

Right on Rex. I'll ensure that any women that lifts my kilt shall be disappointed as well!

You made it too easy to insert a comment about lifting your kilt and being disappointed... I'll leave it alone

Rex brings up a good point that they are (usually) only doing it to get a reaction out of you and if your only reaction is to ignore it and carry on with what you were doing, it makes them look foolish.

**Livingston** · 8th March 08, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by emolas

You made it too easy to insert a comment about lifting your kilt and being disappointed... I'll leave it alone

Thank you. I agree, it would be way too easy.

To me, the reaction to a kilt lift or attempted kilt lift would depend on the situation. At a formal occasion, "EXCUSE ME" along with a withering glare. At work, "what's the number to HR?" At a small party of friends "sweetheart, what is your (wife/husband) going to say?" Basically, the comment and action would need to fit the location and type of activity going on.