Cameron Black and Red Tartan

[Riverkilt]

Had such a good time at the Clan Cameron tent at the Arizona Highland Games, and have always been fascinated by my great great great grandmother Catherine Cameron, who married my 3great grandfather John Macdonald and came to Nova Scotia from Skye in the 1850s that I thought my next tartan tank should be a Cameron.

I really like the tartan as shown on the Tartan Finder, but see it a bit different on other tartan sites.

Just wondering if anyone had a Cameron black and red or had seen one and what their opinion was.

Thanks,
Ron

[Jimmy Carbomb]

Honestly, other than the Cameron Of Erracht (which I used to own)I don't see too many of the Cameron tartans.

I HAVE seen a straight-up Cameron (which is red background with four thick,black vertical and horizontal stripes with one small yellow both horizontal and vertical). Since it was plated to the sett, I really liked it. If it had been to the stripe, I think it could have looked terrible.

The other one that I've seen in a vest was the Cameron of Lochiel. It's a little busy for me.

I have yet to see the Cameron Hunting (which I love) or any of them in "ancient/weathered".

[M. A. C. Newsome]

I think that what you guys are calling "black" here is really green.

The standard Cameron tartan is red, with four green lines, and a single yellow stripe on the red feild. In a lot of photographic representations, the dark green comes out rather black looking. But trust me, it's really green.

But there is, in fact, a red and black Cameron tartan, and this is perhaps what Ron is referring to in his original post. It's recorded as tartan 1186, and is quite striking, in my opinion.

The House of Edgar offers this tartan in their "Old & Rare" range of medium weight cloth. They may be the only ones producing it right now.

Aye,
Matt

[M. A. C. Newsome]

PS -- Ron, whomever you are considering buying your kilt from should be able to send you out a sample swatch of the tartan to view first. Never hurts to ask!
Matt

[Riverkilt]

Thanks Matt, would be Kathy Lare at Kathy's Kilts in Albuquerque.

Pretty sure that old one is it, the pic on the tartan finder calls it Cameron Black and Red (Dress) Artifact.

Guessing Artifact means its an old one.

It is the same pattern as the regular Cameron with the 16 squares, just in black on a red background and I think it looks very cool.

Whatever controls are on the tartan site I can't paste it here. Addy for the tartan is

http://www.house-of-tartan.scotland....se/tfinder.htm

Then go to 1186 Cameron Black and Red (dress) on the left side selector dealy.

Ron

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Yup, that's it. Ask Kathy to send you a swatch. It's available in a medium weight from House of Edgar's Old & Rare range.

If she can't get it let me know and I'll order you one.

Aye,
Matt

[macwilkin]

A bit o' trivia about the Cameron of Erracht tartan. It is actually a military tartan that has been adopted by the Camerons, but it was orginally designed by Alan Cameron's mother, who was a MacDonell of Keppoch, and is a combination of the Cameron and the MacDonald tartans. Alan Cameron of Erracht raised the regiment in 1793 under warrant. The Camerons were also the last regiment to wear the kilt in battle in 1939-1940 in Europe.

Cheers,

Todd

[Jimmy Carbomb]

Yeah baby! I like the simple red and black! As long as the pleats don't reveal a horizontal pattern with that, it will look NICE! Keep the sett/field and it will be tough looking.

You KNOW that the kilt itself will be outstanding!

~It looks as though the other Cameron that I've been seeing has been a misrepresentation. It was definately NOT green, but black. We know that happens out there, now don't we. A cheaper weaver that can make it and sell it without infringments and make it look "close enough for rock 'n' pleats".

[Buddha]

A bit o' trivia about the Cameron of Erracht tartan. It is actually a military tartan that has been adopted by the Camerons, but it was orginally designed by Alan Cameron's mother, who was a MacDonell of Keppoch, and is a combination of the Cameron and the MacDonald tartans. Alan Cameron of Erracht raised the regiment in 1793 under warrant. The Camerons were also the last regiment to wear the kilt in battle in 1939-1940 in Europe.

Cheers,

Todd

Cameron of Erracht was actually the ONLY tartan to be worn as a US military kilt. during the Civil War the 78th and 79th New York Volunteer Militia regiments wore kilts in the Cameron tartan.

[macwilkin]

Cameron of Erracht was actually the ONLY tartan to be worn as a US military kilt. during the Civil War the 78th and 79th New York Volunteer Militia regiments wore kilts in the Cameron tartan.

The kilt was most certainly part of the 79th's uniform, but historians disagree as to whether or not it was actually worn in combat by the 79th -- most historians tend to beleive that the kilt was reserved for ceremonial occasions, whilst during combat the regiment wore trews in the Cameron tartan, or standard New York state uniform issue "kit". One account by William Todd of B Coy. tends to confirm this, but who knows? There are several good photographs of the 79th before the war, and one of their kilts is in th museum at Gettysburg. The 79th did wear kilts after hostilities had ended, right up to their disbandment.

Check out:

http://www.americancivilwar.org.uk/a...ighlanders.htm

http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/historic...9thInfMain.htm

I also found an article from an NY Scottish Society newsletter from 2002 that mentioned a possible re-activation of the old 79th -- wouldn't that be something?

http://www.scotia-news.com/issue2/ISSUE02d.htm

Yours Aye,

Todd