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12th February 08, 01:00 AM
#1
what is the name for this?
Can someone tell me the name of the lacy garment worn around this gentleman's neck? I find it to be a very classy alternative to the tie...
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12th February 08, 01:05 AM
#2
I think it is a "jabot."
Moosedog
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12th February 08, 01:08 AM
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12th February 08, 01:55 AM
#4
The lace cuffs come with, the shirt worn must have a button on collar, and fasten with studds <no buttons>, this is the max "black tie" formal rig. If you would wear "black tie and tails" not just a tux, this is what would be appropriate with the kilt. Barb. T. I believe posted a great link about all this, written by.. mmm some famous dead guy who was the worlds leading kilt historian and authority, advisor to the royal court on such matters etc.
If I werent so hopeless at finding things I would link it. Its here, I saw it a couple days ago.
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12th February 08, 03:13 AM
#5
My jabot is fixed with studs to a collarless shirt but that's mainly because it's nearly 60 years old and that's how they did it then. The modern ones fasten with velcro as do the cuffs and I would recommend just wearing a T-shirt under the doublet with the jabot round your neck. Much cooler that way.
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12th February 08, 10:21 AM
#6
I concur with the T-shirt idea, Phil. I did that at a summer wedding!
Tahshar, doublets with cuffs and jabot are actually considered white tie not black tie. A step above.
Jamiekerr, no one has mentioned this, and I'm not sure if you know, but it's pronounced JA-BOE. Just so you don't ask for a JABBITT!
[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]John Hart[/COLOR]
Owner/Kiltmaker - Keltoi
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12th February 08, 02:11 PM
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The shoe I meant was the last one depicted.... Buckle Brogue Patent Leather.
Having said that, a better brogue than the ghillie would be something like the Culloden shoe. These can be purchased in the US as the same shoes that 18th century re-enactors use. The only caveat, they really should be glossy black and that takes a minor amount of skill and a beau coup of elbow grease.
Hose like that are usually custom-made to match the tartan. I'm certain someone else can provide a source. I wear red-white diced hose - it matches all my kilts.
Slainte yall,
steve
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12th February 08, 02:16 PM
#8
The shoe referred to above are buckle brogues:

They are considered the dressiest kilt shoe although I truly hate them.
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12th February 08, 04:55 PM
#9
Aaaarrrrgggggg!!!!!!!!
 Originally Posted by Chef
The shoe referred to above are buckle brogues:
They are considered the dressiest kilt shoe although I truly hate them.
I feel betrayed! How can a fellow kilt snob HATE buckled dress brogues? (Love the new avatar, BTW) I know, he's actually seen them and realizes that they don't look "quite right". Which they don't. I've put a pair of antique buckles on mine, but that still doesn't make it for me. Close, but no cigar. I didn't know what was wrong until I saw a pair dating from BTHW (Before The Hitler War). These were patent leather (like mine) but made with extremely think soles, virtually no welt, and had less of a rounded toe. WOWEE!!! What an elegant shoe. Possibly even elegant enough for Lord Snooty to change his mind.
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13th February 08, 09:15 PM
#10
 Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
I feel betrayed! How can a fellow kilt snob HATE buckled dress brogues?
Fear not brother, I said I hate them not that I didn't wear them. As much as I dislike them I figure if they are good enough for an officer they are good enough for me. Besides, tis the burden we must bear as a proper "Kilt Snob" 
 Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
I didn't know what was wrong until I saw a pair dating from BTHW (Before The Hitler War). These were patent leather (like mine) but made with extremely think soles, virtually no welt, and had less of a rounded toe. WOWEE!!! What an elegant shoe. Possibly even elegant enough for Lord Snooty to change his mind. 
I think I've seen a picture of these and your right they do look much better, now if we can just find a couple of pairs in the right size. 
 Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
(Love the new avatar, BTW)
Thanks, I just wish Lord Snooty had worn a kilt.
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