Discrimination polls, my research you input is wanted!

**cwr89** · 14th March 08, 06:59 PM

Ok, so I have been working on my essay and some questions have sprung up and I need to poll kilt wearers. so this is where I am going to be posting my poll questions. please don't get out of hand, I don't want the mods to have to pull this!

~Casey

**Andrew Breecher** · 14th March 08, 11:36 PM

I voted no. It doesn't offend me. Do I think it's appropriate, or right? No. Do I allow it to continue? No. But it doesn't offend me.

Andrew.

**RockyR** · 15th March 08, 06:07 AM

It DOES offend me, but in varring degrees. I would never do that to someone else and would not want or expect anyone to do it to me.

Situations:

If it's someone I KNOW and I KNOW they're just lifting 2 or 3 inches to get a reaction from me, that's fine. I'll stop them, but they're just kidding, so I won't cry about it.

If I'm in a bar and it's a "drunk chick", I'm not HAPPY about it (nor would Kelly be), but I will gently swat her hand away and tell her to knock it off. If it's a drunk GUY, I will swat his hand away and question his motives... that usually embarasses them thoroughly.

If it's in a "non alcohol" related daily situation, I'll give the person a bit of a glare and maybe a talking to... THAT is COMPLETELY unaceptable. Depending on how sour a mood I'm in, I could really embarrass them by asking for a police officer to file a complaint... but they'd reALLY have to tick me off for that response.

Normal reaction is somewhere around the middle... swat the hand, tell them to knock it off and glare a bit. They need to know what they're doing is wrong and need to feel SOME shame in order to think about it before doing it again to someone else.

Side note: for 25 responses to the poll so far, I'm surprised that we only have 2 posts explaining why. Come on guys... give your reasoning and help him on his report!

**James MacMillan** · 15th March 08, 06:24 AM

Having someone lift my kilt doesn't offend me. Offend is a very stong word! One definition used commonly is "To cause displeasure, anger, resentment, or wounded feelings"

I honestly don't see it as that big of a deal! While I don't seek out the kilt lift, I also don't think that it is the end of the world if some low-life wants to salve his or her curriosity. A kilt check would not cause displeasure, maybe a small amount of irritation. It does not cause anger, more like amusement. It does not cause resentment, I don't hold grudges for a small act like this, and finally it does not cause wounded feelings.

I think the whole world needs to be a little more thick skinned and not be so quick to accept offence. A kilt check will only hurt me if I allow it to.

**RockyR** · 15th March 08, 06:36 AM

NOTE: I think this discussion can be very productive and educational... I'm not attacking anyone, simply extending the debate in the spirit of this forum...

I agree whole-heartedly that society needs to be a bit more thick skinned in general. I let most things roll off my back. It's the DOUBLE STANDARD that gets me. It's the belief that "I can inspect someone else's privates b/c I want to" that gets me.

When it comes to your (the universal "you", not James MacMillan specifically

) body and your beliefs and your "little world", anything goes. Have a good time whatever your sexuality, color, race, creed, etc... When it comes to MY personal space, you need permission.

"What gives you the right?" is the question I think to myself.

Society needs to be more thick skinned and have a laugh at themselves, but also needs a sense of morality. This isn't about me being thick skinned, it's about someone ELSE being immoral and alienating people by trying to inspect their privates without permision.

Perhaps another question for another poll: Are you offended if someone ASKS you what you're wearing under your kilt? My answer: No. It gets "very old very quickly", but I'm not offended.

**robthehiker** · 15th March 08, 06:44 AM

Casey, I voted "sometimes". In my experience I've had kilt-lifters who fall into one of two categories - friends masquerading as idiots or people who lift a few inches to get a reaction. Neither bother me until the idiots start to get too persistent. I'd get offended if someone lifted it in front of others, embarrassing or offending the observers.

Oh, and another category is drugged up dogs. They don't offend me because they know not what they do.

**James MacMillan** · 15th March 08, 06:46 AM

- that's the ticket.... Irritation - not offence! It bugs me it doesn't offend me. But then I tend to hang out with low lifes

Another question might be - Would you ever lift the kilt of another?

**robthehiker** · 15th March 08, 06:56 AM

It would be interesting to ask kilt-lifters "what exactly were you expecting to see under there?"

I think that most people assume there's underwear underneath. I know a lot of people look unconvinced when I answer "socks and shoes" to "the question".

**Sylvain** · 15th March 08, 07:05 AM

Couldn't answer, because it never occurred to me, and I don't want to try imagining how I'd feel.

**elitekiltedcommando** · 15th March 08, 07:08 AM

I went with sometimes. If it's just one of my friends doing it when we're not in public and they're just trying to mess up a shot in pool or something, I don't really care. But a total stranger doing it in public without my permission really gets to me. Happened to me in a hotel lobby down in illinois last spring. When I informed the guy he just tried taking a peek at a minor, he ran away.