Black Watch kilt bows

**rsvpiper** · 5th October 15, 12:35 AM

Hello all

Anyone have either a Black Watch or RRS kilt which has the kilt bows in place?
I have a lady who can make these but I require dimensions can anyone help out

Cheers

Andy

**Arnot** · 5th October 15, 12:46 AM

I have an RRS kilt with rosettes. I'll get some photos and measurements for you.

**Arnot** · 5th October 15, 01:47 AM

Here are the photos. The rosettes are made with 1 1/2 inch ribbon. The bow portion is made with 3 pieces of ribbon. The middle portion is tied with the same ribbon "folded" to a size of 7/8 inch. The fold line can be seen near the right side of the center tie ribbon in the close-up photo. The "tails" are 5 1/2 inches long from the center of the rosette to the point of the dovetail. I have marked these measurements on the photos. If you would like photos without the markings or additional information just let me know.

**rsvpiper** · 5th October 15, 02:31 AM

Cheere Arnot top man recon that should do it👍

**Arnot** · 5th October 15, 03:44 AM

Glad to help. Do you need any measurements, etc. regarding the placement?

**rsvpiper** · 5th October 15, 03:57 AM

Not at the mo waiting for the lady in question to come back to me if she requires owt

**MacCathmhaoil** · 5th October 15, 04:40 AM

Can I ask why, as a civilian, you are interested in attaching a military rank device to your kilt? Typically they are worn by senior NCO's and Officers, as well as pipers. If you've a connection to the Black Watch you can order them from the regimental kit shop.

**rsvpiper** · 5th October 15, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by MacCathmhaoil

Can I ask why, as a civilian, you are interested in attaching a military rank device to your kilt? Typically they are worn by senior NCO's and Officers, as well as pipers. If you've a connection to the Black Watch you can order them from the regimental kit shop.

Ask you may I am part of the WW2 living history scene here in the UK and to that end I'm putting together a kilted Officer impression for the 1st Battalion Black Watch circa 1940

Yes I can get them from both The Black Watch museum and Black Watch Canada shops however the Canadian ones are the wrong pattern and the museum ones are very expensive for what they are.

**OC Richard** · 5th October 15, 05:03 AM

A very nice closeup photo there, thanks!

When I made Royal Stewart bows for my Black Watch piper's kilt I only had this photo to go on

I guesstimated the width and length.

I used 40mm ribbon from Beresford in the UK.

I also do "living history". Here I am at Fort MacArthur, in my impression of a PM of the Black Watch in khaki drill 1908-1939. The Pipe Major and Pipe Sergeant wear Royal Stewart bows (which the regiment calls "rosettes") on their Royal Stewart kilts.

I also used Beresford ribbon, the wide 70mm stuff, for my drone ribbons.