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31st July 11, 07:28 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by Phil
Tartan hose, even peculiar ones like those, are hardly appropriate for daywear. Just like Sean Connery wearing a jabot with his PC - in daytime too. Artistic licence do you think?
Actually, tartan hose would be the order of the day for formal daywear (i.e., when other men are wearing morning coats) - which is not to say that solid coloured hose aren't acceptable. Usually one would wear silver buttons on the Argyll jacket, but plain buttons are sometimes worn instead.
I think if Sir Stewart had worn solid flashes and a different tie, the ensemble would have been much more bearable.
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31st July 11, 07:44 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by Cygnus
Actually, tartan hose would be the order of the day for formal daywear (i.e., when other men are wearing morning coats) - which is not to say that solid coloured hose aren't acceptable.
Perhaps where you come from but here in the UK tartan hose are not and never have been a conventional choice for daywear. Members of the show business profession are sometimes known for their flamboyant choice of dress. Jackie Stewart was not brought up at a time when kilt-wearing was the norm (or even heard of) in his neck of the woods in the west of Scotland so whom he relied upon for his dress choice is anyone's guess.
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31st July 11, 08:27 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by Phil
Perhaps where you come from but here in the UK tartan hose are not and never have been a conventional choice for daywear. Members of the show business profession are sometimes known for their flamboyant choice of dress. Jackie Stewart was not brought up at a time when kilt-wearing was the norm (or even heard of) in his neck of the woods in the west of Scotland so whom he relied upon for his dress choice is anyone's guess.
Maybe it was the same source that I generally use - C. R. MacKinnon's Scottish Tartans and Highland Dress (1970. Glasgow/London: Wm. Collins Sons & Co. Ltd.). In multiple places he states that tartan hose are the preferred hose for formal morning dress. Perhaps that is a less-accepted tradition that MacKinnon espoused, and he's leading people astray; though I would guess that it was the accepted form at one time or another, even if it is not so now.
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31st July 11, 11:27 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by Cygnus
Maybe it was the same source that I generally use - C. R. MacKinnon's Scottish Tartans and Highland Dress (1970. Glasgow/London: Wm. Collins Sons & Co. Ltd.). In multiple places he states that tartan hose are the preferred hose for formal morning dress. Perhaps that is a less-accepted tradition that MacKinnon espoused, and he's leading people astray; though I would guess that it was the accepted form at one time or another, even if it is not so now.
[Sigh] I do appreciate that your background and upbringing means that you have to rely on what information you can glean from whatever source you can. I have nothing to fall back upon other than a Scottish upbringing, among Scottish people, following the traditions of kilt-wearing passed down to me by them. To find that all of this has now been traduced by the writings of Mr C.R. MacKinnon is deeply disturbing for me but such is life. I now have to come to terms with that and promise that hereafter I shall lead my life according to his teachings. Thank you so much for leading a Scottish ingenue into the true ways of kilt-wearing.
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31st July 11, 11:55 AM
#5
I think they co-ordinated well - convention or no convention.
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31st July 11, 12:36 PM
#6
 Originally Posted by Phil
[Sigh] I do appreciate that your background and upbringing means that you have to rely on what information you can glean from whatever source you can. I have nothing to fall back upon other than a Scottish upbringing, among Scottish people, following the traditions of kilt-wearing passed down to me by them. To find that all of this has now been traduced by the writings of Mr C.R. MacKinnon is deeply disturbing for me but such is life. I now have to come to terms with that and promise that hereafter I shall lead my life according to his teachings. Thank you so much for leading a Scottish ingenue into the true ways of kilt-wearing.
I truly meant no offense, I was simply stating my only source for the wearing of tartan hose with morning dress. I understand that there are other ways of doing things and truly value your opinion (especially considering your Scottish upbringing, which I quite obviously lack). From your comment about kilt-wearing not being the norm where this gentleman was brought up, I felt very much like I was in the same boat as him and was, perhaps, a bit hasty in defending his choices.
Last edited by Cygnus; 31st July 11 at 12:45 PM.
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31st July 11, 02:04 PM
#7
 Originally Posted by Cygnus
I truly meant no offense, I was simply stating my only source for the wearing of tartan hose with morning dress. I understand that there are other ways of doing things and truly value your opinion (especially considering your Scottish upbringing, which I quite obviously lack). From your comment about kilt-wearing not being the norm where this gentleman was brought up, I felt very much like I was in the same boat as him and was, perhaps, a bit hasty in defending his choices.
You must not think that I have taken any offence from the view you express based on the information that is available to you. Similarly my opinion is based upon the experience that I have assimilated from my family, friends and other sources during an upbringing in Scotland.
All of this can only be subjective for each individual and, accordingly, cannot be regarded as a universal truth. What I can only rely upon is what I have seen, heard and experienced over a lifetime in Scotland and from which I have eventually come to understand what is the generally accepted forms of dress for various occasions. Whether this is correct or not is an entirely subjective view and there is, in truth, no good reason why tartan hose should not be worn as daywear. I am simply stating that it is not, for whatever reason, worn as such in Scotland.
Similar conventions surround the wearing of tartan ties with the kilt or a jabot with a Prince Charlie. There is nothing to stop anyone doing so – just that it is not an accepted custom to do so. Flouting such conventions is the prerogative of certain individuals whose aim is to entertain or amuse, even shock, but for the rest of us it is an invitation to ridicule.
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31st July 11, 02:41 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by Phil
You must not think that I have taken any offence from the view you express based on the information that is available to you. Similarly my opinion is based upon the experience that I have assimilated from my family, friends and other sources during an upbringing in Scotland.
All of this can only be subjective for each individual and, accordingly, cannot be regarded as a universal truth. What I can only rely upon is what I have seen, heard and experienced over a lifetime in Scotland and from which I have eventually come to understand what is the generally accepted forms of dress for various occasions. Whether this is correct or not is an entirely subjective view and there is, in truth, no good reason why tartan hose should not be worn as daywear. I am simply stating that it is not, for whatever reason, worn as such in Scotland.
And I will certainly take that under advisement should I ever find myself in formal morning dress in Scotland!
 Originally Posted by Phil
Similar conventions surround the wearing of tartan ties with the kilt or a jabot with a Prince Charlie. There is nothing to stop anyone doing so – just that it is not an accepted custom to do so. Flouting such conventions is the prerogative of certain individuals whose aim is to entertain or amuse, even shock, but for the rest of us it is an invitation to ridicule.
I agree wholeheartedly with you on those counts!
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