What do you call these kilts?

**gilmore** · 23rd February 08, 10:56 PM

The two in the center look to be belted plaid or phillamore or great kilt, (which are all the same thing) but without the ends being secured above the waist. There really isn't a shoulder strap with with them, other than in "Braveheart" and "Rob Roy" and a couple of other movies that got it all wrong. Rather, the ends are more often fastened together or secured to the shirt of jacket or both. Here, it appears that the two in the center just let them trail behind them.

I don't know about the guy on the right. Since the belt is on the outside of the fold rather than inside it, I am not sure what he is doing.

While there are some place that sell them, you could probably put one together yourself at a fraction of that cost. You just buy a 4 to 5 yard length of tartan, hem or fringe the ends where it has been cut (NOT the selveged sides) and fold the pleats in the back and put it on. If you use the search feature you can find several threads that describe how to do this. Some have links to sites that explain this in detail. Some sites even have videos showing you how. Then, after you have put it on, you just let the longer end hang down or tuck it in in the back, rather than pulling it up over your shoulder.

**BoldHighlander** · 23rd February 08, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by gilmore

There really isn't a shoulder strap with with them, other than in "Braveheart" and "Rob Roy" and a couple of other movies that got it all wrong.

Is this what you mean by a "shoulder strap"?

If so, that is actually two different garments he's wearing: it's a plaid seperated into a philabeg with the other portion joined together by the brooch and thrown over his shoulder.

Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by "shoulder strap", as far as Rob Roy is concerned
(I won't go near Braveheart )

davecolorado72 · 23rd February 08, 11:25 PM

I don't know about the garment but I saw that group perform in the Rocky Mountains and they were quite good. Their energy level was crazy.

**IndianaGentry** · 23rd February 08, 11:57 PM

So... belted plaid seems to be the popular answer here. I figured as much, but thought it was worth asking. Thanks for the input!

Originally Posted by davecolorado72

I don't know about the garment but I saw that group perform in the Rocky Mountains and they were quite good. Their energy level was crazy.

Indeed... I was at the top of the Scott Monument when they started playing, and I kept looking around from my bird's eye view, trying to figure out where the music was coming from. I couldn't see them performing because they were at the foot of the very monument! I picked up their CD (Eye of the Storm) after watching this performance, which is a simply fantastic CD. One word of advice- don't listen to it when you are driving, or you'll find that the drums tend to make you drive faster than you realize.

**MacWage** · 23rd February 08, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by IndianaGentry

. . . One word of advice- don't listen to it when you are driving, or you'll find that the drums tend to make you drive faster than you realize.

BUT . . . It's my FAVORITE driving music . . .
It pretty much STAYS in my CD player.

**IndianaGentry** · 24th February 08, 12:16 AM

I'm only helping to run this off-topic, but... As pathetic a history lesson that Braveheart (the movie) is, it is incredible how much the Scots love that film. I asked about it several times while I was there, and everyone agreed that it is a great movie in their eyes. The main reason is apparently because they enjoy watching anything that shows the Scots kicking the collective arses of the English.

If you make it to Stirling and visit the National Wallace Monument, be sure to check out the statue near the parking lot- Wallace's face looks just like Mel Gibson's.

No kidding. I was told that the statue has been vandalised many times because of this. Many of the souvenirs in the gift shop (at the bottom of the hill, not inside the monumnet) also resemble Mel. Funny stuff...

Also, there are 2 statues at the entrance to Edinburgh Castle- Robert the Bruce, and William Wallace. Neither man ever stepped foot inside the castle.

I nearly brought back a bolt of tartan, but spent my money elsewhere. There is a "Braveheart" tartan available around Edinburgh that is quite attractive- mostly various shades of brown and "earthtone colors" that look quite nice. I was told that it actually started with the Rob Roy tartan as the "base," and was altered from there. I still might order a length of it one day.

**ccga3359** · 24th February 08, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by IndianaGentry

I'm only helping to run this off-topic, but... As pathetic a history lesson that Braveheart (the movie) is, it is incredible how much the Scots love that film. I asked about it several times while I was there, and everyone agreed that it is a great movie in their eyes. The main reason is apparently because they enjoy watching anything that shows the Scots kicking the collective arses of the English.

Actually my wife hit me after that scene because what the English did to her Mel, I'm English born. You have to understand she once said she'd leave me for Mel, I responded don't bother asking his name just leave...

The Braveheart tartan is a favourite of mine. Here is a thread of one members quest for a kilt in it. And a follow up.

**Highland Logan** · 24th February 08, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by IndianaGentry

I'm only helping to run this off-topic, but... As pathetic a history lesson that Braveheart (the movie) is, it is incredible how much the Scots love that film. I asked about it several times while I was there, and everyone agreed that it is a great movie in their eyes.

Funny you should say that. All I spoke to about it hated it, because of all of the liberties that took with the facts. The statue of Wallace which was added to the base of the trail which leads to the Wallace Monument has also caused problems. It looks like Mel! When we were over for our wedding I have a picture of it, and I guess shortly after it was put behind a cage (irony) to protect it from backlash, and it's now for sale because no one wants it there.

Frank

**Jerry** · 28th February 08, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by davecolorado72

I don't know about the garment but I saw that group perform in the Rocky Mountains and they were quite good. Their energy level was crazy.

I agree with the garments being great kilts, and with the band's energy level being crazy. Watching them perform in 90F+ heat and high humidity, I was betting that Jamsie was going to pass out from heat exhaustion.. I bet he lost at least 5 pounds in his performances.