The New Lord Lyon

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I cant see him being able to reverse the situation regarding arms for those purchasing Baronies. The ending of feudal tenure was a Scottish Government one so in away, I think, he has his hands tied behind his back.

Actually, as I recall, feudal baronies were specifically exempted from the Fedualism Act. If so, then would there not be reason to believe the previous Lyon erred in his decision to no longer recognize baronies? Lyons have been overturned, and reversed, in the past.

[Clockwork John]

Me too!

But the rates quoted are pro rata which would mean that for a 3 day week he would only get three fifths of that.

Three fifths of that would still be more than I'm making now... especially after converting it to USD.

[McClef]

Three fifths of that would still be more than I'm making now... especially after converting it to USD.

More than many of us in no matter what currency we convert it to.

[McClef]

OK, help me out here, fellow X-Markers! I have always wondered this, and it may seem like a silly question, but...is it pronounced Lord "Lion" or "Lee-own", or some other way?
THANKS!

I always pronounce it as "li-on." But as I don't work for the BBC I could be wrong.

[gilmore]

Actually, as I recall, feudal baronies were specifically exempted from the Fedualism Act. If so, then would there not be reason to believe the previous Lyon erred in his decision to no longer recognize baronies? Lyons have been overturned, and reversed, in the past.

Not exactly. Tenure of land by feudal barony was abolished. Holding the title to a feudal barony was not, since they are a marketable commodity that can be sold and bought, and therefore the government would have to reimburse their owners for their value. In other words, owning a feudal barony no longer necessitates owning the caput, a minimal piece of real estate. They are simply free-floating "titles" that are no longer the title TO anything.

The previous Lord Lyon recognized feudal baronies, of course. They exist in Scots law. Or rather the holding of feudal baronies do. They were not abolished. They were however separated from the ownership of land.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Not exactly. Tenure of land by feudal barony was abolished. Holding the title to a feudal barony was not, since they are a marketable commodity that can be sold and bought, and therefore the government would have to reimburse their owners for their value. In other words, owning a feudal barony no longer necessitates owning the caput, a minimal piece of real estate. They are simply free-floating "titles" that are no longer the title TO anything.

Actually, that's what I had intended so say.

The previous Lord Lyon recognized feudal baronies, of course. They exist in Scots law. Or rather the holding of feudal baronies do. They were not abolished. They were however separated from the ownership of land.

I was under the impression that Lord Lyon Blair issued a statement to the effect that he would not recognize feudal barons; further that the "heritable additiments" of feudal barons (red chapeau, etc.) were for the chop.

Now I know that Lochnaw and others took a contrary position- did Lord Lyon Blair "stand fast" or "climb down"?

[gilmore]

Actually, that's what I had intended so say.

I was under the impression that Lord Lyon Blair issued a statement to the effect that he would not recognize feudal barons; further that the "heritable additiments" of feudal barons (red chapeau, etc.) were for the chop.

Now I know that Lochnaw and others took a contrary position- did Lord Lyon Blair "stand fast" or "climb down"?

As I recall, the previous Lord Lyon's position was that he would recognize existing ones, but not those held by transfer in the future, since there is no authoritative method of recording the transference of title.

I will do a websearch.

[gilmore]

After a somewhat cursory websearch, I haven't found a definitive answer. However, I did come across 2 more feudal baronies for sale at the asking prices of GBP 50,000 and 55,000.

[Sketraw]

Actually, as I recall, feudal baronies were specifically exempted from the Fedualism Act. If so, then would there not be reason to believe the previous Lyon erred in his decision to no longer recognize baronies? Lyons have been overturned, and reversed, in the past.

Yes Scott, for the dignity of Baron and the title they are still recognised and would be added to the letters patent, as Gilmore pointed out but he can not grant arms to the Feudal Barons on a superiority as before. They person has to be Scottish, or of proven Scottish decent or own land in Scotland. He may well differ on the additments to such arms, as his predecessor would no longer allow them.