asked if i was irish

[Mike_Oettle]

Thank you, Todd and The Thing, for that correction. It was the Connaught Rangers.
Jock in Skye, my contention is not that Orangemen were not prominent in the British forces, but that other Irishmen also played their part until the Troubles in the time of the Black and Tans.
I have emphasised that the royals are culturally English. It is your constant harping on their Englishness that is obnoxious, since it implies that they have no place whatever in Scotland.
Regards,
Mike

[macwilkin]

Thank you, Todd and The Thing, for that correction. It was the Connaught Rangers.
Jock in Skye, my contention is not that Orangemen were not prominent in the British forces, but that other Irishmen also played their part until the Troubles in the time of the Black and Tans.
I have emphasised that the royals are culturally English. It is your constant harping on their Englishness that is obnoxious, since it implies that they have no place whatever in Scotland.
Regards,
Mike

Mike,

Just a slight addition to your comments: you are quite correct in your statement that up until 1922, with the establishment of the Free State, there were a number of Southern Irish regiments that served in the British Army, such as the Dublin & Munister Fusiliers, the Connaught Rangers, etc., as well as Northern Irish units -- during the First World War, the moderate nationalist John Redmond attempted to organize volunteer units for service in France, which became the 16th Division, while the Unionists served in the 36th (Ulster) Division, including a number of Orangemen.

I'll stop now and "toe the line" regarding this discussion.

T.

[auld argonian]

All right...one of my favorite old kids' cartoons from the sixties that deals with the question of "Irish-ness".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn3sHf9F3QA

...admittedly silly but it might bring a wee smile.


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[O'Callaghan]

Mike,

Just a slight addition to your comments: you are quite correct in your statement that up until 1922, with the establishment of the Free State, there were a number of Southern Irish regiments that served in the British Army, such as the Dublin & Munister Fusiliers, the Connaught Rangers, etc., as well as Northern Irish units -- during the First World War, the moderate nationalist John Redmond attempted to organize volunteer units for service in France, which became the 16th Division, while the Unionists served in the 36th (Ulster) Division, including a number of Orangemen.

I'll stop now and "toe the line" regarding this discussion.

T.

My grandfather (on the English side of my family!) was attached to the 16th Division, being in the West Ham Battalion of the Royal Artillery at the time. West Ham is in London, for the geographically challenged.

[Mike_Oettle]

O’Callaghan wrote: “West Ham is in London, for the geographically challenged.”

Or for those who don’t follow soccer.

[Lallans]

I don't think we've heard back about how the kilt went over at the Ulster wedding? I trust the attendee survived?

If the first is a really stupid question, please know that I've had a really tough week....

[JockInSkye]

Thank you, Todd and The Thing, for that correction. It was the Connaught Rangers.
Jock in Skye, my contention is not that Orangemen were not prominent in the British forces, but that other Irishmen also played their part until the Troubles in the time of the Black and Tans.
I have emphasised that the royals are culturally English. It is your constant harping on their Englishness that is obnoxious, since it implies that they have no place whatever in Scotland.
Regards,
Mike

I don't think the royal family have a place in the 21st century let alone in Scotland. But I won't enter into that discussion.

[Lallans]

I don't think the royal family have a place in the 21st century let alone in Scotland. But I won't enter into that discussion.

I assume this hasn't been the case with you, but if you had been in a position where your ethnic identity was under serious attack you might find yourself clinging to tradition more than at present.

Also, after several decades of personal exposure, the modern practice of urging people to scrap every vestige of our past starts to look to me to be postively sinister....

[JockInSkye]

I assume this hasn't been the case with you, but if you had been in a position where your ethnic identity was under serious attack you might find yourself clinging to tradition more than at present.

Also, after several decades of personal exposure, the modern practice of urging people to scrap every vestige of our past starts to look to me to be postively sinister....

Whos ethnic identity are you speaking of ? And how is it under attack ?

[Lallans]

Whos ethnic identity are you speaking of ? And how is it under attack ?

My identity of course, including but not limited to Anglo-Quebecer, Prod, WASP, Royalist, white male, take your pick of one or all. And you should at least be able to imagine the rest.